Why are we not excited and impressed yet?
Here is what we (Sean and Stefan) both think!
Sean says...
Well the Iowa Caucuses are over and Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike Huckabee won. It's now on to the New Hampshire Primary.
Huckabee is the intimate candidate (who I usually say when talking to Stef) has the "crazy" (although some might say unconventional) ideas. He gave a great victory speech tonight that truly drew you in and made you like him. I am impressed by his delivery and his ability to communicate without seeming like the loon he truly is.
Obama gave the speech of a leader. Surrounded by adoring crowds he gave the speech from a pulpit that talked about hope, history, and change. Why did it still leave me unimpressed? I feel like I am missing something about Obama (despite MANY emails from my friend Keith as to why I should be on the Obama train). Now I won't be voting for Huckabee of course because well he believes being gay is a choice, that being homosexual is ok as long as we don't practice it, and that creationsim is a valid theory. But Obama has a shot at my vote and I am not running to jump on his band wagon for some reason. My earlier post which really dismissed his impact is proven wrong of course and that is ok because this is one contest. But with Chris Dodd and Joe Biden dropping out now and the field winnowing, what do I do to get excited about someone I am just not getting into?
I am excited that in the Democratic race alone there are viable female, African-American, and Hispanic/Latino candidates! And I think this is where a lot of people are getting excitement because truly race is being conquered as a barrier in our time in an arena where there truly was a barrier based on personal choice. However, is because the potential of historic significance a reason to vote for someone? I remember being in 7th grade and being excited about Jesse Jackson (yes I was in 7th grade now so it makes good sense since I didn't understand what was wrong with Jesse at the time) in 1984. Jesse I believe finished 3rd in Iowa that year which was truly a break through. Hillary Clinton finishing third is a break through as well since she basically has finished better than any female presidential candidate has done ever as well.
But in the end I just don't have Obama fever. I really haven't caught any one candidates fever actually. So what can anyone do, say, or argue to sway me toward the light of political hysteria for any of the Dems still standing? Is it just me? As I age am I becoming harder to impress and excite? Do I need political viagra?
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Stefan says...
Romney scares me because his beady-eyed stare is too Ted Bundyesque.
Huckabee frightens me because he is an eloquent, dynamic speaker, who conveys authority...whose ideas and messages are dangerous.
Richardson blew it for me during his performance at the debate on Logo a few months ago.
Obama concerns me because of his youth and inexperience, despite his charimsa and likeability.
Edwards looks the part (he is certainly shiny and handsome), but I'm still not convinced...yet.
Clinton has the intellect and the experience, but I worry about her electability (of course, that's a little bit like a run on a bank, isn't it?)
Who is left? Well, as long as they are left, and not right... :-) 381 more days until Dubya is outta there! http://www.backwardsbush.com/
Comments
I know Obama is inexperienced, but his populist message and agenda might just be what this country needs right now. Enough of the radical rights hold on this country. So few Americans are better off than we were 4 or even 8 years ago. But, having said this... I'm still undecided. Somewhere between Guiliani and Obama with a thoughtful pause at Edwards. Yes, Sean, I am saying that this red family is considering voting blue! And I'm sure you always knew this would happen some day ;-)
" As I age am I becoming harder to impress and excite? Do I need political viagra?" Sean, I hate to say it, just a few years older than you, but the answers are definitely yes, and, er, yes ;-)
Stefan, this, "(of course, that's a little bit like a run on a bank, isn't it?)" is a cool metaphor. I feel sort of dirty inside for feeling like maybe I would be willing to vote Democrat just to help get a woman elected. But if none of them truly represent my values, what else do I go on, you know?
Reading this has helped me get to grips with what promises to be quite a dry 12 months for us Brits. US elections always seem to go on forever (possibly because they do) and spectacularly fail to grip me. There's one thing I'm finding with Obama right now. Everyone keeps banging on about him being (potentially) the first black president. Of the footage I've seen thus far I'm finding it very difficult to see him as black ...
Hi there Stefan-
I agree with your candidate assessments. I'm voting for Hillary because I think experience matters in this uncertain world, she's sharp as a tack, and because well, I think it's about time we had a female POTUS.
I too, am gay and am very uncomfortable with Mike Huckabee. Seriously though, we can only pray (no pun intended) that he gets the noimination because there's no way that he can win ANY of the larger, more progressive (read: blue) states necessary to capture the Electoral College.
Besides, he doesn't have the money to make a serious run.
Mitt Romney scares me....there's just something creepy about him....Obama's a junior Senator...and that's just not gonna cut it in a time of war....Richardson has VP written all over him (despite his missteps at the LOGO debates) and John Edwards reminds me of a used car salesman......Guiliani intrigues me as a former prosecutor and with his record of accomplishment as mayor of New York (as tough a job as any Congressman or Senator) and with his support of women's reproductive rights and GLBT causes.
This is one area where I would just love to disarm all contenders.
It is what it is, but I'll be DAMNED (and I mean held back, stuck in a rut, so ditch any God of Abraham-hating) if people continue to step to me and tell me how I must live my life, and no, that's probably not what you think it is.
Society at large is quite guilty of assuming people MUST fit into the "gay" or "straight" slots and anyone inbetween or otherwise bucking the dichotomy are frauds, fakes, and self-hating. I'm pretty tired of being in most people's crosshairs in that regard.
Anyways...
I am an Independent, and to be honest, there are no candidates that truly appeal to me. I am of a firm belief that the main political parties are broken (I respect my Libertarian friends but I don't wholly trust that party either) and so I'm not really holding my breath on a viable third party emerging. Look at how badly the Reform party got hijacked by Pat Buchanan after Ross Perot faded away. I don't see it.
I think you're right-- Obama is still too young and raw to really pull things off. But if Bill Richardson relents on his decision against becoming a VP, and becomes his running mate, I might actually offer him my vote.
Romney-- our shared faith means that naturally I am coming under closer scrutiny as well. He is a good man, in my opinion, and honestly doesn't deserve the animosity leveled at him, but he is running as a Republican, and the GOP is in the thrall of the neo-cons and the evangelicals right now. While I am fairly confident Romney is merely pandering to them, and will return to his more moderate record, the GOP *will* find a way to sink their claws into him if he overcomes the "LDS are heretics" stigma and actually wins.
McCain suffers similar problems. He's an old war horse, which means although his dovey stunts have given much of the GOP epileptic fits, he will still sit at the table with the hawks much of the time.
I have greatly admired Richardson's straight-shooting, but he's really not running as presidential material. He avows to return to the New Mexico governorship if he loses, but I think he should reconsider if offered the VP slot to the right person.
Huckabee- even if he's not in the pocket of Big Oil, he's in the pocket of the evangelicals, and if I didn't quite make it clear, I really don't want that again. 'Nuff said.
Clinton- No, no, no. No doubt, she is poised, and she has strength, but her two big weaknesses for me is that she is left-wing, through and through-- no matter how much she tries to portray herself as a centrist. She is riding the coattails of her husband in some aspects, and that may ultimately backfire on her, particularly when he steals the spotlight on the stump (that's HIS element, not hers).
Edwards seems to be the Dem dark horse right now, but he looks too polished and I just can't see myself swinging that much to the left. Apparently, his political stances are somewhat close to mine, but... no, my interests are too scattered admist the political spectrum for an ideological liberal to properly address.
I'm fairly typical as an Independent-- fiscally (economically) conservative, and socially liberal (mostly). I am strongly inclined to vote for a Dem to swing back the political pendulum away from the GOP a bit, but most of these candidates seem aimed to swing it back more than I am comfortable with.
There is no question the country is divided. Seriously, people, we've ALWAYS been this politically diverse-- don't let whitewashed picket fences of the past fool you. We need to wake up and figure out what's going to unite us or we will remain this deeply divided over differences that have always been there, honestly.
Ron Paul and us disagree on a bunch of things.
Ok, but since Ron Paul is all about keeping only what is constitutionally mandated with federal government, and giving control on the rest back to the states, surely you have a better chance of finding a place in this country where you will get what you want out of government if the states are allowed to diversify on things? Ron Paul is also taking care to emphasize that the constitution should dictate what federal government should do, and not personal beliefs of high-up individuals.
Typically, most libertarians don't belong officially to the Libertarian party, because in order to have a party based on nobody at all being in charge, yet appeal to communities and the larger federal institutions, there needs to be a platform, somehow based on the policy of no policy, to put it very, very, very loosely. "we" don't trust anyone who wants to be in charge of that, as in the words of Jefferson, it's important to be suspicious of anyone who actually wants to hold public office, even those who purport to have our free enterprise/"free to be you and me" interests at heart.
We'd love a world in which we could elect a president, but far more importantly, a congress, with nothing more in mind than policing the borders and fixing the roads, leaving the rest of our concerns to more localized institutions. Maybe we're too jaded to believe in any Big L member who thinks they could get that done, even though we reluctantly vote for them whenever possible.
Now that I've prattled on in someone else's blog, I humbly beg forbearance.
We need her back in the White House...
Happy New year to you both, Sean & Stefan... I'm really enjoying your blog :)
Best New Years Wishes,
Scott
Thanks Scott! We still aren't sure about Hillary ourselves but I am glad you are at least enjoying our inconclusiveness!
Have fun in London and be safe while you are away!
Hope you check in with us when you come back!
Happy Travels!
Sean & Stefan
Hey guys!
HUGE win for Hillary in New Hampshire. Gets the monkey off her back (for now) and slows the snowball...almost avalanche...momentum that Obama was generating. It's on to Nevada I believe, where she holds a commanding lead in the polls, although we now know those don't really mean a whole lot....
I think that while people desire change, they also have to ask themselves..."who is this guy" and "what does he stand for?". Frankly, other than hearing him utter the word "change" a lot, I don't know much about Barack Hussein Obama other than that he's a tall, slim, well-educated and articulate lawyer from Illinois who gives magical speeches. That's not to say I don't want to learn more, but if he's going to win this thing, I want to know SPECIFICS...and frankly, I want to know how he's going to turn his obvious INEXPERIENCE into a positive attribute because honestly, it's a huge concern of mine at the moment.
That's why Hillary's got my vote.
Oh...and I forgot to say...
Happy Birthday!
(from another 37 year-old!)